Here is a write up for a Land Rover magazine from one of our customers, Steve King, regarding his experience of damage which occurred to his Freelander 2 drivetrain. This is what can happen when you have mismatched tyres, so please check that yours are all the same make, model, size, tread depth remaining and air pressure.
Freelander 2 Repairs
I know that there are a lot of other members who drive Freelander’s as I do. I have a 59 reg and it was running fine, but over the last few months it had been starting to make noises, a low rumbling noise, but, as it had just had 2 new Tyres fitted (to the front), it was put down to tyre noise. In some respects it was caused by the tyres, but not in the way you would expect.
When the tyres were fitted it needed two on the front so that was done, and the noise seemed to still be there; but you all know that when you hear a noise it just gets louder.
So serious investigation was required and a visit to a local garage was called for. With it on their ramp, play in the transfer box was found, but they didn’t have the time to have it in a fix it. So we tried other garages and one wanted £350 and £300 to do a reconditioning job to the transfer box but with no Guarantee that it would fix the problem and in fact no Guarantee at all! So, it was a case of pay £650 total and hope.
But another company was found on the internet which was FreelanderSpecialist.com in Norfolk and they were VERY helpful sorting out the problem. I e-mailed them a video of where the play was and they came up with a solution and a price. It was more than the £650 but they offered a 12 month guarantee. They were a 140 miles away but were able to fix the issue quickly and, within a week of my first phone call, a plan was worked out for Me & Tracey to have a few days in Norfolk while the vehicle was being worked on.
We arrived there on the Thursday evening after a 5 hour drive and as promised a loan car was ready. The initial estimate was £850 for the work, which was either recondition my transfer box or swap it for a pre-reconditioned transfer box. A loan car was offered free of charge and the work was scheduled to be finished by late Friday.
So, after picking up the loan car, then realising that we are in the middle of Norfolk in the dark with no idea as to where we were and without the GPS, as that’s fixed in to the Freelander and not removable! (we used our mobiles), we eventually found our hotel after getting lost twice.
But things are about to get worse, other things needed doing.
Firstly, the current transfer box was beyond a recondition job as the main shaft was too far gone. This happens when the splines are damaged between the main shaft and the sleeve which sits between the transfer box and the gearbox. Once the splines are damaged (usually accompanied by an initial bang from the front) the shaft then slips in the sleeve – this can often result in a juddering on the wheel. This prevents drive from being transferred to the rear wheels and results in the Freelander running in front wheel drive only. So that was an extra expense – the surcharge plus the sleeve and seal.
We had also agreed to have the Haldex serviced. So what’s the a Haldex? In simple terms it’s the component that controls the 4 wheel drive system, as, unlike other 4×4`s, such as my old Disco 2 which had selectable 4 wheel drive, the Freelander does not. It has what is called an active-on-demand system, which activates the 4×4 when it senses one of the wheels is slipping. This is controlled by the Haldex, which is like a mini gearbox, and has its own little computer (ECU) that if a wheel is spinning it controls the traction and does clever stuff.
The Haldex has its own special oil, filter and pump. Now, according to Land Rover, there is never any need to service this clever little unit! Not a wise idea, we all know that any oil will degrade over time. So FreelanderSpecialist.com changed the oil,filter and cleaned the pump – you can see in the before and after photographs below how desperately that pump needed cleaning! So the lesson is, if you want to avoid problems with your Haldex, get it serviced every 2 – 3 years, don’t wait for 9 years and almost 80,000 miles like we did!
This also leads me on to mention the other important way of protecting your drivetrain, tyres. Make sure they are all the same make, model, size, have the same tread depth remaining and the same air pressure. If you imagine a low tyre on one side which makes the Haldex computer think the tyre is moving faster than the others, and therefore it believes a wheel is slipping and it will engage the four wheel drive system to compensate the difference in the rotational radius’. What you end up with is a strain on the drivetrain.
Our change of tyres had been what caused all the damage. The larger tyres on the front made the system think our rear wheels were constantly slipping. This had caused the splines to go on the transfer box – caused by the sudden demand from the Haldex to engage the 4×4 system at a higher speed than you would ever being doing in an offload situation where you would require the 4×4 facility – and, yes, there is still more to come, it also caused a bearing to collapse in the rear differential causing it to make a humming noise as we drove – not that we could hear this over the noise of the transfer box damage.
So, after I had probably the worst phone call ever, with a bill of over £2,000, not including the 2-night stay in a hotel and the fuel costs, it is an understatement to say I could have broken down and cried – all because of only replacing two tyres instead of all four!
I would like to say that with all the extra work that was required FreelanderSpecialist.com still completed the job in record time. We were back collecting my Freelander at 3pm on Saturday. Their service was impressive, I was pleased with the work done and so I would totally recommend them to anyone who asks.
Steve King, Birmingham
Hello,
I have an issue with my 2010 Freelander 2.2 TD4 which I hope you might be able to help with.
The distance sensors react when reversing even though there is a trailer on the car. normally the car has to recognize the trailer. Any idea
Hi Thomas,
When you fitted the tow bar did you also fit and programme the tow bar module? This is the module which deactivates the sensors when a trailer is on the back.
All the best,
Sue
I bought a freelander2 in January 21,
(then had a medical episode that meant I’ve lost my licence )
Then came lockdown,
So its basically done a couple of hundred miles , drive by my partner,
So she picked me up from the pub a couple of weeks ago,
We live about 8 miles away ,
By the time we got home there was a definite smell of burning in the cabin,
Turned out to be the rear offside brake locked on,
You could have fried an egg on it!,
Anyway I got it sorted at our local garage,
£326 lighter we got it home,
(mostly parts and vat )
My question is ,
could a lower tyre pressure on the front offside have caused this?
(I’m not a mechanic, dont laugh!)
The alloys aren’t in the best nick and it’s got a slow leak around the bead/rim.
After reading some of the comments on here I’m getting the feeling I’ve bought a massive bill waiting to happen!
I never realised landrovers had become so , well “crap “for want of a better word.
I had a series 3 years ago, and it was bullet proof.
Now it looks like I’ve got to replace tyres and wheels everytime I go to the shops.
Hi Paul,
Sorry to hear about your medical episode and consequent loss of licence.
There are four things which tend to affect the performance of the brakes:
1. Servicing – it is important that things like the calliper sliders are serviced regularly to ensure they do not seize;
2. Flexible brake hoses – on the Freelander 2 the flexible brake hoses should be replaced every six years, if this is not done then the hoses can swell and block the fluid;
3. Brake fluid – the brake fluid on the Freelander 2 should be replaced every three years, dirt in the brake fluid could cause a blockage;
4. Use – if the Freelander is not moved for long periods of time, like most vehicles, the brakes can corrode and seize.
The issue with the tyre pressure would not cause a brake problem, however, having different tyre pressures, caused by the slow leak, can cause damage to the drivetrain, so it is important to get this sorted out.
All the best,
Sue
0780 9575 421
Hi Sue,
Many thanks for the information.
Its probably point 4 ,
it’s been standing unused for most of the year!
At least I dont have to worry about the brakes,
I have just been reading the owners manual, which came with my 2009 ,
F2, S4F12F , B5H3
Landrover say ,
“if possible replace in sets of four”
” if this is not possible, replace the tyres in pairs, front and rear”
They dont mention damage to the drive train ,
(which has been playing on my mind since I read it ,
I really couldn’t afford to repair that kind of damage,)
They do however make a point under tyre replacement ,
Warning ,
” Do not swap tyres around the vehicle ”
“Swapping may affect handling and traction”
I’ve just had a look at the tyres that are on my landy ,
and I dont think any of them are the same make!
( all the same size thankfully)
Think I might go back to my Ford connect, lol
Anyway thanks for the information,
If it all goes TU I will let you know
Hi Paul,
In our experience with the differentials it is not a wise idea to replace the wheels in pairs unless you replace them with the exact same make and model and the tread depth remaining on the older tyres is less than 2mm different from the new ones. If none of the tyres on your Freelander are the same make then you could get drivetrain issues – we have seen very large differences in the rolling radius of tyres of the same make but different models (all the same size tyre) as well as differences between different makes.
All the best,
Sue
Just bought a Freelander 2 on a 2007 plate 96K on the clock. Reading about the problems with the drive train is scaring me to death.
The Original Post says
“The larger tyres on the front made the system think our rear wheels were constantly slipping”
Question is were they tyres like for like in size or were larger tyres fitted to the front?
Also would the same result have occurred if new tyres been fitted to the back and the least used tyres moved to the front?
If you have half worn tyres on a Freelander and one gets slashed or damaged do you really have to replace all four tyres?
Hi Paul,
Congratulations on your purchase, these are great vehicles but you do need to understand how the 4×4 system works and it is wonderful to see you have been reading up on it and clearly have some understanding of the implications.
The Freelander is an active-on-demand 4×4 system, which means the 4×4 functionality kicks in when it believes you need it – rather than you having to manually lock the differentials. The issue is, the only way to really tell if you need the 4×4 system is if one of the wheels is slipping, at which point the 4×4 will activate.
The problem with this is that anything which causes the wheels to turn at significantly different rates will then cause the 4×4 system to activate when it is not needed, and when your speed may be excessive, hence putting a strain on the drivetrain. This can then cause the differentials to break.
One of the primary things which causes the wheels to turn at different rates is mismatched tyres. This may be a mismatch in the tyre make or model (we have seen massive differences in the rolling radius from the same size tyres but different makes or even the same size tyres and make but different models); in the tread depth remaining on the tyres (so yes, keeping two of the old tyres and fitting just two new tyres to the rear, even if they are the same make and model, can cause issues); or the air pressure (if you have a puncture this can cause an issue).
Generally, to avoid the issue of having to replace all four tyres in the event that one gets damaged, the best thing to do is to operate a set of five tyres and rotate the spare in with the other four at each service.
Otherwise it is worth remembering that four new tyres will always be cheaper than replacing a differential, so it is not worth taking the chance for the sake of getting a little more wear out of two of the tyres.
The other things that can cause the wheels to turn at different rates is a sticking brake calliper or handbrake cable; so if you feel anything binding get it checked out quickly (often a good indication that something has gone wrong is that your miles per gallon will go down).
I know it sounds scary but it really is just a case of looking after the Freelander and paying particular attention to the tyres. Most people go through life with their Freelander with no problems at all; and they are such great vehicles!
All the best,
Sue
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About to buy an old HSE. You guys are definitely going to be my garage! Wound never have thought about rotating 5 tires.
Congratulations on your purchase Mike, we would be honoured to care for your HSE.
Enjoy!
All the best,
Sue
0780 9575 421
Great site!
Hello Sue,
I have MY2011 LR2 V6 Auto
I have vibration and clancking under the seat to rear when cruising at RPM 2-3 at any gear.
Service said it was the prop shaft.. after changing it the sound gone for 2 days and then returned! Then they informed that MY PTU was damaged.. yesterday i changed the PTU and the car feels much better no more whining on high speed! But the vibration and knocking are still there with lower level!
Do u have any idea if the bad PTU has damaged my new prop shaft and i need to change it again?
I have no warning on my dashboard!
Please note that last year i have change my Haldex unit..
Any help!
Thanks
Hi Said,
The best way to check if it is the prop shaft which is damaged again is to remove the prop shaft and see if the noise goes. It is also worth checking the driveshafts and the suspension, particularly the wishbones. Are your wheels balanced?
All the best,
Sue
+44-780-9575-421
Hi, great site! I have a 2009 Freelander 2 XS. It just started making horrible noises. Particularly when engaging and moving off in first while turning right up a slope or turning left in reverse. There is a kind of grinding and clunking combined with what feels like slipping.
Any tips would be much appreciated!
Hi Bill,
Thank you for your kind words on our site.
It sounds like you may have a problem with your power transfer unit or your Haldex – if you are not getting any warnings on the dashboard it is more likely to be the power transfer unit.
There is a sleeve which connects the output shaft of the power transfer unit to that of the gearbox, check if you can see any rust coloured oil residue around this sleeve.
Also, if you put all four wheels in the air and put it into first or drive, are you getting any drive to the rear wheels?
If the problem is either of these units we can supply you with a reconditioned one, or supply and fit in the same day.
All the best,
Sue
0780 9575 421
sue@freelanderspecialist.com
Hi Sue,
Thanks for your swift response. I am in the Falkland Islands so not too easy to get spares! Do you advise driving the car at all? Its my only transport at the moment so I’m a bit stuck without it. I will take a look at the transfer unit and see whats going on.
Cheers,
Bill
Hi Bill,
If it is the power transfer unit then you can do more damage – in fact you could end up damaging the gearbox – so we would suggest getting it checked out as soon as possible.
We can ship to the Falklands if required.
All the best,
Sue
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This is your Haldex playing up. I had the same problem. The vehicle is in 4WD mode when at standstill and low speed and changes releases the Haldex when you turn the steering or as you pick it up sleep. If the Haldex doesn’t release then as you turn the inner and outer rear wheels are trying to turn at the same speed and slip, making that clunking sound.
Get your Haldex serviced – there are two filters – one needs replacement and the other needs a clean. And new Haldex oil. Get your diff checked at the same time. This can also happen if the correct amount of Haldex fluid was not out in during service. There is a procedure to make sure the correct amount involving turning in the vehicle after the first fill, refilling the sump and taking out 70mL with a syringe.
I have an issue with my 2010 Freelander sd4 which I hope you might be able to help with.
An intermittent stuttering on slow acceleration from rest which does not show itself at normal and higher speeds.
I have changed the fuel filter and air filter to no noticeable difference, any help would really be appreciated.
Thank you
Keith
Hi Keith,
It would be a good idea to put it on diagnostics. It sounds like it could be the throttle body.
All the best,
Sue
0780 9575 421
Hi ! I have two used tyres ….5.5 + 6 mm , and just fitting two new ones . Are these close enough in depth tread to be ok ?
Thanks
Martin.
Hi Martin,
Thank you for your message and telephone call.
As mentioned on the telephone it is very difficult to say exactly what difference in tread depth will cause an issue. The ideal situation is to have all four tyres renewed at the same time. If, however, you do not do this then make sure all four are exactly the same make, model and size; then fit the newest ones to the rear of the Freelander, take it for a drive and then touch the power transfer unit and the rear differential to make sure they are not getting hot.
All the best,
Sue
0780 9575 421
Regarding our discussions regarding the advisability of changing all / pairs of tyres at the same time , the following updates might be useful to you and followers of the website.
In early 2017 I had to replace a rear tyre due to a serious puncture . This was done via a National chain who said when asked that with the other 3 tyres at 6mm there was no need to change any of these.
Servicing at the Landrover main dealer that summer commented on the condition / tread of the tyres ( 6, 6, 6, 8 mm) , but did not advise on any need to take action on this. However by the following year the car had developed vibration from the drive shaft that was eventually found to be the front PTU …this was replaced but again no comments / advice made re either the cause of this , or on the tyre tread depths ( now 5,5,5,7 ).
One year on and the replacement went ….. again no comments re the tread depth ( now 2,2.5,3,5 ). However after research online and talking to yourselves it seems possible that the Haldex has been intermittently switching into 4wd due to the difference in tread ( 2mm) between the two rear tyres …. we have therefore changed all 4 tyres to new , and hopefully will have no more problems ! One thing to immediately notice is the fuel consumption has improved from 34 to 37 mpg !
Hi Martin,
Thank you very much for sharing your experience. It is amazing how so many places do not look for the cause of damage – these units are very robust and generally do not break on there own or through wear and tear, and in 99% of cases we see the cause is mismatched tyres.
So pleased to hear you have now matched your tyres and that your fuel consumption has increased – you will get reduced fuel consumption if the 4×4 is activating during normal driving.
Now you can enjoy your Freelander!
All the best,
Sue
0780 9575 421
Hi
Please assist I have recently started having vibration and this happens sometime when I drive off and can’t recreate since it happens sometime only.
This Symptom started after a leak between the transfer box and automatic transmission was fixed.
Any clue?
Hi
My11Freelander 2 2.2 SD4
Please assist I have recently started having vibration and this happens sometime when I drive off and can’t recreate since it happens sometime only.
This Symptom started after a leak between the transfer box and automatic transmission was fixed.
Any clue?
Hi Mohamed,
The first thing to check would be the driveshafts, these are the things which tend to cause a vibration and would probably have been removed for the work on the transmission.
All the best,
Sue
Hi very informative site ,lm thinking about a Freelander 2 probably the final version a 2013 hse.
On the importance of tyres can you rotate a new set of four to even out the wear. Changing front to rear maybe at service.
Thanks George.
Hi George,
Yes, you can rotate the tyres each service to get even wear, just make sure if you have directional tyres they are going in the correct direction.
All the best,
Sue